Shaela Scanlon ([info]mls03j) wrote,
@ 2008-08-07 13:25:00
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A River in Egypt

I’m still trying to come to terms with the season finale of Doctor Who. I’ve tried ignoring it, but that worked about as well as telling myself not to think about pink elephants. I needed something I could picture in its place. So I finally did the same thing I’d done for season two — I sat down and made a list of all the things I’d need to change to make “The Stolen Earth” and “Journey’s End” work for me.

  1. I’d cut Rose’s eavesdropping. I’d keep the scene where she saved Wilf from the Daleks, but then I’d have her mobile ring, and I’d have her tell the person on the other end that she’d be right there. I might have her say something to Wilf just before she disappeared, like, “If you talk to the Doctor, tell him… tell him… oh, he knows.”

  2. I’d cut the Doctor’s death. I might keep the Dalek that killed him, because I thought the running was a little over-the-top, and I was glad someone interrupted it. Plus, if I rolled credits as soon as it appeared, the episode would still end on a cliffhanger. But I’d have Jack destroy it before it could shoot the Doctor.

  3. I’d replace the Doctor’s regeneration with a proper reunion between Rose and Jack. I’d have her explain why she made him immortal — he’s “a fixed point in time and space,” so she might’ve used him as a navigational beacon, to help find her way back from Pete’s World. But I might keep her horror when he died — she’d be coming face-to-face with the reality of what she’d done for the first time.

  4. I’d have Donna fly the Tardis out of the Crucible’s core. The duplicate Doctor couldn’t have done it — the original Doctor wouldn’t have regenerated, or “siphoned off the [energy] into a handy bio-matching receptacle,” so the duplicate wouldn’t exist. But Donna was learning to fly the Tardis in “The Sontaran Stratagem” — I’d have her use that knowledge to help save the world.

  5. I’d have Rose stand up for the Doctor when Davros told him, “You take ordinary people and you fashion them into weapons.” I’d have her tell Davros what she told Jackie and Mickey in “The Parting of the Ways” (“The Doctor showed me a better way of living your life”), and what she told Donna in “Turn Left” (that he does the same “to everyone he touches”). And I’d have the Doctor listen to her.

  6. I’d have Rose appear on the Tardis monitor after Donna escaped from the Crucible’s core. I’d have it be a projection from Pete’s World, from before the walls weakened enough for Rose to come in person. And I’d have Rose and Donna work together to stop the Daleks.

  7. I’d have the next-to-last scene be the Doctor, Rose, and Donna bringing Jackie home. I’d have the Tardis land on Jackie’s doorstep, and I’d have Pete and Tony come out to say goodbye, too. And then I’d have Rose turn to the Doctor and say something like, “So, where’re we gonna go first?”

  8. I’d have the last scene be the Doctor bringing Donna home, but I’d make it clear that time had passed since the next-to-last scene. I’d have Wilf ask where Rose was, and I’d have the Doctor tell him that she was dealing with the people who’d hurt Donna. I might have Jack, Sarah Jane, et al. drop by to see if he and Donna were all right. And I’d close with all of them sharing stories about Donna.

I doubt I’m going to be watching the 2009 specials, much less season five. And I can’t see myself rewatching seasons two, three, or four, with the possible exceptions of “The Runaway Bride” and “Turn Left.” So I don’t see any reason why I can’t make this list — and the one from June — my personal canon. (I won’t be able to read 99 percent of the post-“Journey’s End” fanfic that’s being written, but that’s already true, since I’m never going to ship Rose and the duplicate Doctor.)




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[info]bananasandroses
2008-08-07 08:15 pm UTC (link)

(I won’t be able to read 99 percent of the post-“Journey’s End” fanfic that’s being written, but that’s already true, since I’m never going to ship Rose and the duplicate Doctor.)

Word.

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[info]mls03j
2008-08-07 09:15 pm UTC (link)
Yeah—I figured I had nothing left to lose. (Before, I still had hope—that Rose would come back, that my unresolved issues with season two would be resolved, that we’d get a happy ending. But that’s gone.)

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[info]bananasandroses
2008-08-07 09:21 pm UTC (link)

that we’d get a happy ending.

Short of killing her in front of the Doctor (the one in brown, that is), I think it would have been difficult for them to have found an ending less happy than the one we got.

I figured I had nothing left to lose.

Tell me about it ... *sighs* ... the vast majority of my f-list are all on the Ten II/Rose bandwagon and don’t (won’t, I sometimes suspect) understand that I can’t just swap like that, that’s not how it’s done. Y’know?

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[info]mls03j
2008-08-08 01:03 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I know. It’s funny. I joined the SPDN because I was tired of having the same arguments over and over and over again. I’m leaving for more or less the same reason.

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[info]pncwho
2008-11-30 03:54 pm UTC (link)
I don’t see any reason why I can’t make this list — and the one from June — my personal canon. (I won’t be able to read 99 percent of the post-“Journey’s End” fanfic that’s being written, but that’s already true, since I’m never going to ship Rose and the duplicate Doctor.)

Me neither. The whole TSE/JE thing absolutely disgusted me. Aside from the scientific impossibilities and logical fallacies (I probably should post my essay one of these days), the ending just sickened me.

Rose goes through heaven-knows-what to get back to her Doctor. She's risked her life, more than once, to get back to him when she's been seperated from him. And how does he reward her? By sending her back to the parallel universe with the Clone. And she happily accepts it?! She would willingly trade a diamond for a rhinestone?! That is wrong on so many levels, and it makes a lie of their love.

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[info]mls03j
2008-11-30 07:29 pm UTC (link)
Well, I’m not sure I’d call the original Doctor a diamond. But, other than that, I agree. In fact, I think RTD agrees—he admitted in A Writer’s Tale that “Rose has to be stupid to fall in love with Doctor 2. No matter what I do, that’s not her Doctor.” But he realized that too late to fix it.

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[info]pncwho
2008-11-30 11:52 pm UTC (link)
Well, I’m not sure I’d call the original Doctor a diamond.

Heh! I was, of course, speaking metaphorically. But Rose did trade the real thing for an imitation.

In fact, I think RTD agrees....But he realized that too late to fix it.

Yeah, he bit off way more than he could chew with that finale. Tried to do too much and went too far. Honestly, it would've been better to not bring Rose back at all than to screw up her character so badly.

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[info]rabid1st
2009-07-11 11:55 pm UTC (link)
I have come to see your list of things...and...

(I won’t be able to read 99 percent of the post-“Journey’s End” fanfic that’s being written, but that’s already true, since I’m never going to ship Rose and the duplicate Doctor.)

...to, also, say...WORD!

:grin:

Rae
seeing it is almost a year later and you are still hoping things turn out better...sadly, we did not have good news for you this week.

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[info]mls03j
2009-07-12 12:52 am UTC (link)
Ironically, my list has changed since last year. In hindsight, I would’ve made the scene where Rose saved Wilf from the Daleks her last appearance in season four. Then I would’ve made half of this year’s specials about what she’s been doing in Pete’s World, and the other half about the Doctor finding a way across the Void. (I’ve actually got most of an AU fic worked out in my head, but I figure that’s true for everyone who didn’t like “Journey’s End.”)

I can’t honestly say that I’m still hoping things turn out better. I just… There was a tradition in Ancient Greece where the family of someone who died would sit up with the body the night before the burial. That’s what I’m doing.

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Awww...you shouldn't have to do that...
[info]rabid1st
2009-07-12 01:06 am UTC (link)
...sit up with the corpse of your fandom hopes. You know...that's my stand as a writer: the fans of your work shouldn't have to mourn its passing.

Or write their own ending because the canon one sucked so much ditch water nobody can believe it.

I, too, want more about Rose in Pete's World...obviously...and, as you imagine, I have two fics about that in the works. But I get so dang depressed about the canon that I can't bring myself to find any joy in the "fix-it" stories.

I don't really hate the Doctor running to Rose...because...it really does establish that he's missed her more than he's missed anyone else. Something, that definitely didn't need spelling out for anyone paying attention to him...but which many, many of the hardcore DW sites seem to have missed completely.

I go out there...to SciFi or Geek Squad or whatever established site...and these "Old School" experts will be bashing Rose and calling her useless and whiny and unworthy of him and...lots of things she definitely WAS NOT! And then...also...just whining themselves about how she won't go away.

She won't...which is good news, I think. But...I don't just want some half-assed lip service to devotion this time...I want the happy for her life...or RTD and I are through!

Rae
who doesn't seem to be getting through to him, though. :grin:

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